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InkosiDeVinyl |
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Look man the fact is just that the strat was useless and he probably doesn't take it offensive as Sterling does. I mean what's the big deal?
"If you always put limit on everything you do, physical
or anything else. It will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go
beyond them." - Sensei Lee.
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Wouter Jansen |
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is it useless the same way as you are useless, having no untieds?
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HighScore80 |
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david n clemens wrote: It doesn't hurt to be nice for a change. Calling people names is really mature! Patrik "HighScore80" Nilsson [GoldenEye] [Perfect Dark] [Youtube (My Videos)] [Ustream (Watch Me Play Live!)] AIM: highscore80 MSN: highscore80@wootwax.org |
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david n clemens |
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Well Wouter, these days innovations are just as good as strats. just finding any way to do stuff better or save time is hard to even do. And the only people
who really find innovations these days are the ones who play for WRs, because that is the only time they are really needed. That is what I am trying to say.
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Lovins |
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That's why DLTK can be so fun these days since most levels can be immensely improved still with much better strats. You should play more Dave!
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david n clemens |
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That is very true. I will probably come back to it sometime soon, just need to find a fun level, maybe S1 or something.
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RWhiteGoose |
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Henrik Norgren wrote:Silo 00A = Goose Silo SA = Goose Frigate SA = Goose Frigate 00A = Goose Jungle A = Goose SUCKKKKKKKKKK ITTTTTTTTTTTTTT and FWIW, all of Boss, Trent and Graham WERE in the top 3 at some point in their careers. |
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Lovins |
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I'll probably regret saying this but I bet you could easily take Frigate below 2:00. I think my 2:09 is the best strat out there but it surely wasn't
an optimal run.
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Red Bull |
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Hugo for example, is very innovative in a lot of ways (and is "only" top 20); totally changing the whole level and not some minor details. For
example, skipping the snipers in the beginning of villa agent and kill them with a CMP later on. And really, it doesn't even cost much time, if any at all!
This also means that it could've easily won a little time. So you never know. It's important to be open for these things, and to keep a climate of just
putting in random ideas in the elite. Not shoot them down immediately!
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Henrik Norgren |
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I know about those Ryan
So anyway i was refering to major strat breakthroughs which is pretty rare i guess. I suppose some very minor time savers have a habit of coming from the poeple who speedrun the most however those things are usually very old and was thought up ages ago just no one has bothered to use it yet. Like the recent Aztec A thingy, i mean running through a room skipping guards? It's the oldest rule of speedrunning ever xD These things doesn't really classify as inventions. |
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Lovins |
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Add my idea for the pause trick on B1 SA to the list of mini-time-savers, and I was only ranked 15th or something then. It got the WR to :21 from :23 pretty
quick (although :22 was without the trick), and also got people to try to think of other places to use it, like Frigate SA, Silo 00, and basically any DLTK
level that involves a pause.
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Wouter Jansen |
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im sure 21 is doable without the trick
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Lovins |
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I'm not sure you could've possibly said anything more far from the point of this discussion. My GE Times My GE Movies My GE Turbo Times "Adam - hey im adam Girl - reaches out and shakes hand A - starts small talk G - giggles and ask about the-elite shirt A - O the elite, its this site i go to G - *grabs wiener* A - What the hell im not done explaining!" - Adam Matis |
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RWhiteGoose |
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I'm not sure Wouter has made a single relevant post since 2004.
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InkosiDeVinyl |
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Wouter Jansen wrote: You and your fucking untieds Wouter. Like on your timespage where it says "All tied world records suck" Frigate Agent 0:23 sucks? That's just arrogant. You should be proud of the wr's you achieve. So i guess all wr's just suck if all of them where tied in the future? You're an idiot Wouter. "If you always put limit on everything you do, physical
or anything else. It will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go
beyond them." - Sensei Lee.
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ToTh |
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inkosy siempre jodiendo, anyway wouter isn't an idiot. he was an amazing player at the time. so respect to the "Old pd & ge player" .
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InkosiDeVinyl |
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Sure he is, but that's not the point.
"If you always put limit on everything you do, physical
or anything else. It will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go
beyond them." - Sensei Lee.
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Lovins |
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Well the dumbest part of Wouter calling Marc useless for having no untieds is that he has long since lost all of his, and Marc will obviously achieve an
untied(s) before Wouter ever gets one back (if at all).
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david n clemens |
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Not really sure how Ryan contributed to the Jungle or Frigate strats. Bryan was using a pause trick way the hell back when he got 103 and that strat is STILL
superior to the one Rayan got 102 with. Also, the strat you conceived for 00A which Rayan got 108 with is about the same speed as the old 1:13 strat Dan
figured out, with barely even better hostage odds, just slightly. And that strat isn't even used on the WR any more. I guess you mean the slap for Jungle,
but anyway someone would have started doing that eventually and I thought Illu thought of it but maybe I am wrong.
Ryan does deserve a lot of credit for Silo though. I personally think the current 00A strat is about the best one out there. But I think it is also important to not just focus on "strats" but the effect a player has on everyone else. What I mean is, when you find a way to do a strat consistently and provide vids showing how it is done, it will help everyone else who tries for those WRs or something. Surely people like Marc and Henning would not be getting Caverns 102/121 or Aztec 130/136/140 if it werent for people like me and Ace, even if on paper it seems like we didnt contribute a lot to strats. Pretty much every WR strat has been tweaked by us, so not giving us any credit is just ignorant. (speaking mostly towards Wouter here, in a friendly argument sort of way) |
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RWhiteGoose |
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I made the Frigate SA/00A strat which are capable of getting the current WRs and everyone except you use...
I invented the "detonate later" trick on Jungle A which can be used on SA and is pretty much the best small timesaver ever made. Illu made the slap. |
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